Trudeau takes a swipe at Poilievre over his stance on age verification for porn

Poilievre supports a law that would require age verification before accessing pornography online

• RCI / John Paul Tasker (new window) · CBC News

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday that adults shouldn’t have to share their personal information to access pornography online.

Speaking at a housing announcement in Cape Breton, Trudeau said Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s endorsement of some sort of age-verification system for porn sites is something his party opposes.

He’s proposing that adults should have to give their ID and personal information to sketchy websites, or create a digital ID for adults to be able to browse the web where they want, Trudeau said of Poilievre.

That’s something we stand against.

Trudeau said Poilievre is playing politics by opposing the government’s forthcoming online harms bill (new window) — which is meant to combat hate speech, terrorist content and some violent material on the internet — while also endorsing a crackdown on some other online content.

When asked Wednesday whether a Poilievre-led government would require that porn websites verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: Yes.

A spokesperson for Poilievre later told CBC News the party does not support requiring users to verify their age through a digital ID.

It isn’t clear how a government led by Poilievre would enforce the age verification process he says he supports.

The dispute over porn stems from the ongoing debate over S-210, a Senate bill that would make porn sites like the Canadian-owned PornHub — a video sharing site that hosts adult content — criminally liable for failing to check a user’s age before they browse.

The legislation doesn’t stipulate how exactly ages should be verified — but one option is a government-backed digital ID.

The bill demands that the federal government set up some sort of prescribed age-verification method to limit porn or sexually explicit material to people aged 18 and over.

Some U.S. states also have tried to implement age verification laws.

This photo taken in London on Monday July 8, 2019 shows a laptop screen displaying the website for AgeID, an age verification system.
Photo: (Kelvin Chan/The Associated Press)

Those efforts have had a mixed track record in the courts. Some U.S. judges have struck them down (new window) as a violation of free speech, while others have allowed verification to proceed (new window).

The Senate bill was introduced by Independent Quebec Sen. Julie Miville-Dechêne, a Trudeau appointee.

Miville-Dechêne has championed the legislation as a way to protect children and teenagers from graphic sexual material.

The senator contends porn sometimes distorts the meaning of sex for its consumers, depicts women as objects to be used and abused by their partners, and promotes physical aggression through the depiction of slapping, choking, gagging and hair-pulling.

Sen. Julie Miville-Dechêne’s Bill S-210 would make porn sites criminally liable for failing to check a user’s age before they browse.
Photo: Radio-Canada / Martin Ouellet

If you’re a minor, you can’t see a movie if it’s classified 18 years and over. If you’re a minor, you can’t buy a Playboy. But if you’re a minor, you have complete, unfettered access without barriers of any kind to 4.5 million porn sites around the world, Miville-Dechêne told CBC News in a previous interview (new window).

I’m not on a crusade against porn. I just want to protect kids from porn that is shown widely on these websites that is not at all the soft kind of stuff. It’s hardcore, it’s tough and it’s violent.

Miville-Dechêne’s arguments swayed some senators — it passed the upper house last year and is now being ushered through the Commons by Conservative MP Karen Vecchio.

A multi-partisan group of Bloc Quebecois, Conservative, Liberal and NDP MPs endorsed the bill at second reading late last year and sent it to committee for further study before a final vote.

Trudeau and his cabinet ministers and the vast majority of Liberal MPs voted against the legislation (new window) in December.

Some observers (new window) maintain a formal age verification process would be a gross violation of privacy (there’s a risk private information gathered to verify someone’s age could be leaked or hacked) and an unfair suppression of legitimate sexual activity.

Other scholars maintain this is the latest development in a long-running, mostly conservative campaign to purge porn.

Here we are again, singling out sex. We have this idea that somehow sex is uniquely damaging in a way that watching unbelievably violent, gory, horror stuff, and all the video games kids play, is not. But, oh yeah, sex, now there’s the problem, said Brenda Cossman (new window), a professor of law and sexuality at the University of Toronto.

I don’t think looking at sexually explicit material is any better or worse than looking at a whole range of things. Reviving this debate, that somehow accessing pornography is detrimental to women and children, just seems like something from a bygone era.

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J.P. Tasker is a journalist in CBC’s parliamentary bureau who reports for digital, radio and television. He is also a regular panellist on CBC News Network’s Power & Politics. He covers the Conservative Party, Canada-U.S. relations, Crown-Indigenous affairs, climate change, health policy and the Senate. You can send story ideas and tips to J.P. at john.tasker@cbc.ca.

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